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HSc Production Chart
« on: December 15, 2012, 02:02:25 PM »
This Wartime Production Chart provides researched production estimates for the HSc variations listed in Jan Still's excellent book, "Axis Pistols - Volume II", 1989.
 
It was created using an extensive database of information gathered from many sources, some of which came from the generous contributions of collectors in this forum and documents provided by the late Walter Schmid, founder and curator of the Waffenmuseum in Oberndorf, Germany.
 
As always, comments, questions, and corrections are appreciated.
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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 11:36:07 AM »
Great chart!!!!
 
 
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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 06:36:27 PM »
I recently purchased a Mauser-Werke  HSC, .380 auto pistol. The serial number is 01.3026.   I would like to know approximately what year it was made. Can you advise? Thanks, Diane.

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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 07:22:04 PM »
Hello Diane and Welcome!
Your HSc was made between 1968 and 1969.

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« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 07:53:14 PM »
Thank you so much for the information. Diane.

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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 09:23:45 AM »
I was able to get a hold of a production chart and it shows it was made in 1970. So you were pretty close. Thanks, Diane.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 04:05:42 PM »
Warbird,


I am giving a talk to the Arms Collectors of Georgia, an Atlanta-based group, on 7.62mm German Army pistols of WW2. Your info has already been a great help! Thanks!
Since we have some pretty advanced collectors I wanted some more information on two items:
numbers and serial number ranges of Variation 1 pistols with the small E/655 and the ATP, and with the large E/655 and the ATP
Also, when were the Variation 5 phosphate pistols made, how many were Accepted and what is known about the "right side up" and "upside down" serial numbers on these pistols. I own phosphate pistol #949874 and its serial number is right side up. M1934 # 624225 is also in my collection.
Thanks in advance for any help you may have on these items.


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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 07:40:55 PM »
Wecome aboard, Ogtree!  I'm just going to copy excerpts from the HSc research booklet that Peter Theodore and I authored to answer your questions:

"Referring to the reported serial numbers, the end of M1934 production (serial number 628585) can, more than likely, be delineated between HSc 708708 (first HSc with the large Eagle/655) and 710508 (last reported small Eagle/655) or about March, 1941.  Also, the elimination of the Army Test Proof was not a clean break as some non-test proof pistols have been identified as early as 712208 and others with the ATP mark reach up to 715323."

"Mauser made a few HSc pistols using phosphate finishing in combination with plastic grips in the early months of 1944, probably to demonstrate the concept to their customers in the military and police as an alternative to the more expensive and less resilient bluing process.  The first documented HSc with these characteristics was serial number 882447.

   882447 - Army (January 1944)      894194 - Army (March 1944)
   891120 - Police (February 1944)   896889 - Police (April 1944)

By February 1945, Mauser modified their HSc production to include phosphate finishing as a wartime expediency.  Much of the subsequent output that year, beginning with 946887 - Army, exhibited this coating."

I have no record of HSc's with inverted serial numbers.  There were a few in the 950300 range with inverted Army Acceptance Marks.  Hope that information helps with your lecture.  Anything else, let me know.
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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2013, 10:00:31 AM »
http://www.p38guns.com/HScGermanPhosphate.htm


Thanks VERY much for your help! I did mean upside down Acceptance stamps, not serial numbers.
The link above shows one of the upside down Acceptance stamps. The pistol belongs to a friend with great photographic talent and a spectacular collection.
I am very much on the lookout for a Variation 1, large E/655 and ATP. My HScs are a tribute to a wonderful great uncle who repaired M4s for the 1st Armored Division.
I look forward to learning more about these wonderful pistols!


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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2013, 10:18:35 AM »
You're welcome.  I also hope you meant 7.65mm (=.32 ACP) instead of 7.62mm in your original post.  And I agree, Mark's website is an excellent collectors' reference.

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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2013, 08:42:26 PM »
Hey there folks I have a mauser hsc 7.65 mm semi auto pistol with serial number 927619. I was wondering if it was a military or police who carried this gun. Also how much this pistol would be worth? Plus what year it was made? I seen the chart but still couldn't figure out how to read it? Thanks a bunch ALBERT.
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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2013, 08:50:05 AM »
Hello Albert:  To determine whether your HSc was Commercial, Army, or Police you will have to tell me what symbols (if any) are shown on the left side of the Trigger Guard Web just forward of the Grip.  It will be blank for Commercial, Eagle/WaA135 for Army, or Eagle/F for Police.  Then, for a value, I will need to know condition and type (phosphate or blue) of finish, condition and type of Grips (chipped, broken, plastic, or wood), and finally if all three serial numbers match.

I'll be waiting to hear back from you ...

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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 04:26:36 AM »
Have a Mauser HSC serial number of 01-8617, Interarms.  What would the approximate production date be ?

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Re: HSc Production Chart
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2014, 05:07:53 AM »
Production date would be 1970.

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« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2014, 08:25:03 PM »
I have just acquired a Mauser HSc, nickel -plated, .380, serial number 01.15774. The weapon appears to have had no use since new, and I bought it because it just reached out and grabbed me! I was wondering if anyone has any reference sites for the serial number, any literature (I've found a German manual for the .32 cal, but it's not much help) or information. It's distributed by Interarms, and is in what I would label "pristine" condition. Now I'm curious to assemble a history before I take it out and use it on the range.