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Title: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on December 15, 2012, 02:02:25 PM
This Wartime Production Chart provides researched production estimates for the HSc variations listed in Jan Still's excellent book, "Axis Pistols - Volume II", 1989.
 
It was created using an extensive database of information gathered from many sources, some of which came from the generous contributions of collectors in this forum and documents provided by the late Walter Schmid, founder and curator of the Waffenmuseum in Oberndorf, Germany.
 
As always, comments, questions, and corrections are appreciated.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on April 29, 2013, 11:36:07 AM
Great chart!!!!
 
 
Jim
 
 
 
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Diane on May 01, 2013, 06:36:27 PM
I recently purchased a Mauser-Werke  HSC, .380 auto pistol. The serial number is 01.3026.   I would like to know approximately what year it was made. Can you advise? Thanks, Diane.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on May 01, 2013, 07:22:04 PM
Hello Diane and Welcome!
Your HSc was made between 1968 and 1969.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Diane on May 01, 2013, 07:53:14 PM
Thank you so much for the information. Diane.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Diane on May 03, 2013, 09:23:45 AM
I was able to get a hold of a production chart and it shows it was made in 1970. So you were pretty close. Thanks, Diane.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Ogtree on May 14, 2013, 04:05:42 PM
Warbird,


I am giving a talk to the Arms Collectors of Georgia, an Atlanta-based group, on 7.62mm German Army pistols of WW2. Your info has already been a great help! Thanks!
Since we have some pretty advanced collectors I wanted some more information on two items:
numbers and serial number ranges of Variation 1 pistols with the small E/655 and the ATP, and with the large E/655 and the ATP
Also, when were the Variation 5 phosphate pistols made, how many were Accepted and what is known about the "right side up" and "upside down" serial numbers on these pistols. I own phosphate pistol #949874 and its serial number is right side up. M1934 # 624225 is also in my collection.
Thanks in advance for any help you may have on these items.


Ogtree
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on May 14, 2013, 07:40:55 PM
Wecome aboard, Ogtree!  I'm just going to copy excerpts from the HSc research booklet that Peter Theodore and I authored to answer your questions:

"Referring to the reported serial numbers, the end of M1934 production (serial number 628585) can, more than likely, be delineated between HSc 708708 (first HSc with the large Eagle/655) and 710508 (last reported small Eagle/655) or about March, 1941.  Also, the elimination of the Army Test Proof was not a clean break as some non-test proof pistols have been identified as early as 712208 and others with the ATP mark reach up to 715323."

"Mauser made a few HSc pistols using phosphate finishing in combination with plastic grips in the early months of 1944, probably to demonstrate the concept to their customers in the military and police as an alternative to the more expensive and less resilient bluing process.  The first documented HSc with these characteristics was serial number 882447.

   882447 - Army (January 1944)      894194 - Army (March 1944)
   891120 - Police (February 1944)   896889 - Police (April 1944)

By February 1945, Mauser modified their HSc production to include phosphate finishing as a wartime expediency.  Much of the subsequent output that year, beginning with 946887 - Army, exhibited this coating."

I have no record of HSc's with inverted serial numbers.  There were a few in the 950300 range with inverted Army Acceptance Marks.  Hope that information helps with your lecture.  Anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Ogtree on May 15, 2013, 10:00:31 AM
http://www.p38guns.com/HScGermanPhosphate.htm (http://www.p38guns.com/HScGermanPhosphate.htm)


Thanks VERY much for your help! I did mean upside down Acceptance stamps, not serial numbers.
The link above shows one of the upside down Acceptance stamps. The pistol belongs to a friend with great photographic talent and a spectacular collection.
I am very much on the lookout for a Variation 1, large E/655 and ATP. My HScs are a tribute to a wonderful great uncle who repaired M4s for the 1st Armored Division.
I look forward to learning more about these wonderful pistols!


Ogtree
Ed Ogletree
Atlanta, GA Metro
edogletree@outdrs.net
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on May 15, 2013, 10:18:35 AM
You're welcome.  I also hope you meant 7.65mm (=.32 ACP) instead of 7.62mm in your original post.  And I agree, Mark's website is an excellent collectors' reference.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Albert on July 23, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Hey there folks I have a mauser hsc 7.65 mm semi auto pistol with serial number 927619. I was wondering if it was a military or police who carried this gun. Also how much this pistol would be worth? Plus what year it was made? I seen the chart but still couldn't figure out how to read it? Thanks a bunch ALBERT.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 24, 2013, 08:50:05 AM
Hello Albert:  To determine whether your HSc was Commercial, Army, or Police you will have to tell me what symbols (if any) are shown on the left side of the Trigger Guard Web just forward of the Grip.  It will be blank for Commercial, Eagle/WaA135 for Army, or Eagle/F for Police.  Then, for a value, I will need to know condition and type (phosphate or blue) of finish, condition and type of Grips (chipped, broken, plastic, or wood), and finally if all three serial numbers match.

I'll be waiting to hear back from you ...
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: hankypoo1 on January 29, 2014, 04:26:36 AM
Have a Mauser HSC serial number of 01-8617, Interarms.  What would the approximate production date be ?
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on January 29, 2014, 05:07:53 AM
Production date would be 1970.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Bob E on March 19, 2014, 08:25:03 PM
I have just acquired a Mauser HSc, nickel -plated, .380, serial number 01.15774. The weapon appears to have had no use since new, and I bought it because it just reached out and grabbed me! I was wondering if anyone has any reference sites for the serial number, any literature (I've found a German manual for the .32 cal, but it's not much help) or information. It's distributed by Interarms, and is in what I would label "pristine" condition. Now I'm curious to assemble a history before I take it out and use it on the range.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: clintlee01 on March 31, 2014, 01:41:25 PM
Thanks for the chart! Is there anyway to find out any history on a particular hSc from the serial #?
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Mqkmq3 on February 11, 2015, 02:27:46 PM
Hello,  I've come across my grandfather's Mauser hsc 7.65 mm pistol, it appears to me to be military police issued during Ww2.  It has the n marking with eagle on the side of the trigger housing  and the other side has a different eagle with an L next to it. Serial number is 761xxx, I'm not in front of the gun now but can give you exact serial number if needed   It has a black leather holster with an extra clip pocket. Holster has no markings inside. The grip I'm assuming is walnut (not low screw).  Good condition, some pitting and scratches.
Can you tell me anymore information about this gun?  Thank you in advance.
From what my mother told me my grandfather was a tank mechanic in Germany so it's likely he would have picked it up behind the advancing tanks.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on February 11, 2015, 05:01:11 PM
Yes, I'll need the complete serial number to give you the manufacturing date.  The Eagle/L Acceptance Mark tells us it was Police issue, not military.  Looking forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Mqkmq3 on February 12, 2015, 07:38:30 AM
Thanks for the quick response the exact serial number is 762041
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on February 12, 2015, 09:30:15 AM
Your serial number tells me this Early Wartime Police HSc was produced in March 1942.  In Very Good condition at 95% or better finish, no chips or cracks in the Grips and if all three serial numbers match value would be $950 to $1,000.

Without any markings, the Holster is generic and probably not worth more than $50 to $75.  Hopefully you are not storing the pistol in the Holster since that could be detrimental to the finish and its value.

By the way, if you can find the "Capture Paper" that authorized your Grandfather to bring this HSc back to the States, it would add $100 to $150 to its value.  Anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Mqkmq3 on February 13, 2015, 07:51:52 AM
By 95% finish, do you mean 95% of the finish is intact? It has been stored in the holster, probably for over 70 years, but I will make sure we store it properly. No word of any capture paper.
I do not plan on selling it, but I am interested in shooting it.  My mother thinks it's unsafe to shoot it bc it's so old, but I think it'll hold up fine. From what I've been told the 7.65mm is the same size as a .32. Do you think it's OK to take it to the range?
Thanks again for the insight.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on February 13, 2015, 11:45:51 AM
Yes ... 95% means percent of finish intact and 7.65mm = .32 ACP caliber.  Your HSc should be inherently safe to shoot however, if something breaks (like the Grips) you may not be able to find a replacement and its collector value will disappear.  That trip to the range could end up being very costly.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Mqkmq3 on February 13, 2015, 04:18:47 PM
Is that something that happens to old guns fairly often when fired? I'd absolutely love to shoot it but I don't think it'd be worth it if there is a fair chance of damaging it.  I'll try to post some pics so you can lay eyes on it.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on February 15, 2015, 06:17:29 PM
This :(
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: wheelgun6t9 on April 13, 2016, 01:37:57 PM
Hi Warbird!  I've scoured the net and think I'm close but can't locate the manufacture date of an HSc that I'm looking at purchasing.  The SN is 00.7293 - Interarms 32 acp.  Do you know when this one was born?  Thanks!!

Wheelgun6t9
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on April 13, 2016, 03:17:24 PM
Your New Model HSc was made in 1970.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: wheelgun6t9 on April 13, 2016, 03:44:34 PM
Thank You Warbird!!!   You are a great resource  ;D
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Flash on April 26, 2016, 01:23:41 AM
Great Grandfather owned this pistol, carried it in WWII. I was wondering if anyone could nail down when it was made.  Looking at the Serial, it would seem 1944.  I'll try to attach some pics to assist identifying it later (the 1MB limit is ... A challenge posting directly from my phone).  He had the hand grips personalized (at time of purchase or shortly after) with a picture of his wife and first born (my grandmother) and carried it this way. 

Serial 917541
Barrel Serial matches, haven't found the 3rd number but haven't looked very closely
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on April 26, 2016, 07:03:05 AM
Welcome, Flash.  Your HSc was produced in August 1944 within a large Commercial run at the factory.  Can you confirm that or was it designated to Police or Military?  If you don't have a program to reduce the size of your photos (doesn't everyone?), send them to me and I'll do it for you.  adburnham@verizon.net
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on April 26, 2016, 11:09:51 AM
Sounds like some sweetheart grips to me might be on that pistol.  Would enjoy seeing those photos.   Please send them for downsizing.

Jim
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Flash on April 26, 2016, 11:08:07 PM
Here are the first 3, feel free to remove these if it helps clean up the thread
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Flash on April 26, 2016, 11:10:41 PM
And the Hand Grips
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on April 27, 2016, 10:56:35 AM
As suspected, you have a Commercial HSc identified by the left side of the Trigger Guard being blank.  While the Clear Plastic Grips are interesting they decrease the collector value of this pistol considerably.  I am sure this is not a concern to you since it is a family heirloom.  The third serial number is hand written at the forward end or nose of the Slide on its underside.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on April 27, 2016, 01:39:25 PM
Enjoyed seeing the photos of your example.

Jim


Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: mauserfan on May 10, 2016, 09:18:47 AM
Love the photo in the grips.  Neato!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: bullfrog on July 06, 2016, 04:58:49 AM
Sorry i am not a computer fan, i don't now howe this site works but i am trying!
I own a Hsc serial number 714531 can anyone tell me more about this handgun?
With regards, Willem. (dutch)
My englisch is just as worst as my computer handling. (shooting goos better)
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on July 06, 2016, 09:50:45 AM
Bullfrog,

Now that is an interesting early serial number HSc you ask about, but Warbird is going to need more information from you.  Photos would be of great assistance. If you are not able to post them, then tell us.  Alan, me or someone will help you get them on the forum.


Jim   
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: donp326 on July 07, 2016, 12:07:36 PM
Those are relly nice "sweetheart" grips. They devalue the pistol somewhat but I really like them. The gun is part of your family history, treasre it.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: bullfrog on July 08, 2016, 05:00:17 AM
Dear Jcorl.
I will try to make some pictures off my Hsc.
Will take a while, i am not very good with computers.
Thanks for your reaction on my question!
Greetings Willem.




Sorry for the bad English.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: dougkn on July 21, 2016, 03:33:10 PM
Looking at an HSC .380  SN  01.315XX and has FBM proof on frame.  any info appreciated.  Year of manufacture etc.

Doug
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 21, 2016, 04:57:33 PM
Hello, Doug, and welcome.  You will have to be more specific about the "etc." including the complete serial number and description before I can try to answer your questions. 
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: klf3006 on February 16, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
Thanks for the ad. Need to know mfr date of S/N 01.35288. Thanks, KLF3006.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on February 16, 2017, 05:25:25 PM
Welcome to the forum!  Closest production date I can get with your New Model HSc is 1974.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: klf3006 on February 17, 2017, 09:57:49 AM
Thanks. :)
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: USMC_Ryfleman on March 07, 2017, 06:37:08 PM
Good evening and thank you for accepting me here. I know pretty much nothing about the Mauser HSc I purchased from a coworker today and am hoping you can help me out. It is serial number 8336XX and has an eagle over an N on the ejection port side trigger guard as well as at the end of the slide. It is a matching gun. There is no waffenampt on the trigger guard, safety side. What is the manufacture date and possible value? It had no magazine so I ordered a new one from triplek so I could shoot it (if that's advisable). Thank you in advance!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on March 07, 2017, 08:24:22 PM
Welcome aboard, Marine.  To give you any information on your HSc you will have to let me know the complete serial number.  If you are not comfortable posting it here you can give it to me in a PM (Personal Message).
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: USMC_Ryfleman on March 08, 2017, 04:26:34 AM
Hi Warbird and thank you. The complete serial number is 833629.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on March 08, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
OK ... Your HSc was produced in May 1943 and, since there are no markings on the left side of the Trigger Guard or the Fronstrap of the Grip, it is considered to be a Commercial type pistol.  That means it was not made specifically for a German military or police organization.  It was, however, probably purchased by someone in one of those organizations since ownership by an ordinary citizen was forbidden.

Since I have no idea of the condition of this pistol other than matching serial numbers, it could be anywhere from $400 to $700.  Without an original Magazine, that value may be reduced by the cost of a replacement, currently at $100 to $150.

As far as shooting it. don't forget you're dealing with an historical artifact of WWII that is almost 75 years old.  Anything breaks, it may be expensive and/or impossible to replace.  The Grips are a good example ... replacement for them would more than likely have to come out of Europe and cost more than the Magazine + international shipping.  So, if you have to shoot it, get a pair of cheap replacement Grips or, better yet, by a cheap .32 for less than the cost of a Magazine and shoot it!

Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.  Semper Fi ... OORAH!
 
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: USMC_Ryfleman on March 08, 2017, 08:33:30 AM
Thank you so much for such a detailed reply. I think I'll just find an original magazine and keep it in my safe as a collectable. I was definitely shocked at the price of original mags so I don't want to have to replace anything else, that's for sure!


Semper Fi!!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Kal765 on March 19, 2017, 09:20:56 AM
Thanks for all the great information on your forum. I have a wartime HSc that my Dad brought back from Europe, SN 712720 all numbers match. No holster or spare mag, but I do have the capture papers. The finish is probably 90-95%. The left grip has a small piece missing from the tip and I have put on a set of replacements  from Midway to prevent any more breakage. These are great little guns, fun to shoot and very accurate.
   The marks on it are: Eagle/N on right muzzle and right triggerguard, Eagle/655 on left triggerguard, and a small Eagle stamp on the left tang. Is this a 1941 model? Thanks for any help!   George
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on March 19, 2017, 11:28:14 AM
Hello George and Welcome.  Your Early Wartime Army HSc was produced in March 1941.  The small Eagle on the left tang is called an ATP for Army Test Proof.  The Eagle/N is the Test Firing Proof added by the German Proofhouse in Ulm, Germany to signify the firearm was safe to shoot.

Value would be between $700 and $800 with another $50 to $100 for the Capture Paper.  Anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Kal765 on March 19, 2017, 01:41:26 PM
Thanks, Warbird!  What is the significance of the ATP? Did the Army do its own test firings or have some other acceptance standard?
Regards,  George
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on March 19, 2017, 05:18:30 PM
There was no known significance for the ATP other than it was a holdover from M1934 Army production marking.  The practice was discontinued after serial number 715552.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: GonzoGeezer on April 20, 2017, 06:28:54 PM
Hi Warbird,


I ordered the Mauser book you described in a later post. Will iT i[size=78%]nclude the data you are ising to give [/size]Production dates? If not, my HSc is 945401; I know it's early 1945, but what month

Thanks!

Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on April 20, 2017, 07:41:55 PM
Welcome to the forum GonzoGeezer.  You will find charts like this one in the book Appendix, however specific months are generated from an extensive database we maintain and other sources.  I see you picked up your latest acquisition on Still's GunBoards website.  Congratulations!

This HSc was produced in January 1945.  You described the marking as "Wehrmacht" in your other posting.  To be clear, Wehrmacht is a broad term meaning Armed Forces comprised of the Army (Heer), Navy (Kriegsmarine or KM) and Airforce (Luftwaffe).  From one of your photos, the WaA135 Acceptance Mark on your HSc is Army (Heer).

Anything else, let me know and thanks for purchasing our book!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: GonzoGeezer on April 20, 2017, 08:11:45 PM
Thanks for the information and clarification.  My copy of the book arrives tomorrow; I know what I'll be reading tomorrow evening!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Edward on May 26, 2017, 07:31:41 PM
I'm new to the HSc forum but am very interested in learning from you guys. I have several war time Hsc pistols and would like to know the production dates for them. Is it possible for me to download or otherwise access the chart or is it only available in the Mauser book.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on May 26, 2017, 08:31:24 PM
Hello Edward!  If you open the Production Chart image in the first post of this thread, you can then save it from there.  Otherwise, you can give me the information on each of your HSc's and I will be glad to provide you with Month and Year of production.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: dana on July 07, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
Great chart!  Determined my HSc 7.65mm ser.#786316 was a 1942 product.  Has the eagle and I think either an "N" or an "M" on the right side of the trigger guard (UNLESS the eagle has big feet. That is possible, I suppose, as my eyes are not what they once were). Left side of trigger guard is clean. Shoots great with ball ammo; not good with other bullet shapes. Wouldn't mind finding an extra magazine for it.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 07, 2017, 12:54:10 PM
Hi Dana and welcome!  In fact, your Commercial HSc was produced in August 1942.  The Trigger Guard marking is an Eagle/N for "Nitro" and can also be found on the right side of the Slide by the nose and on the Barrel Chamber.

You can find authentic Magazines on eBay and GunBroker.Com.  If you intend to shoot it much, get a pair of cheap Grips also since these are among the easiest to break on old guns and generally the most expensive to replace.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: dana on July 08, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
Thank you VERY much for the information.  I had never noticed the eagle on the slide. I don't shoot it as much as some other weapons because of its age and the fact that I plan to pass it on to my son (I inherited it from my dad, who purchased it in 1952). It does shoot really well using S&B ball ammunition.  The light recoil allows me to use "triple-tap" groups with pretty good accuracy (8-10" groups) at 7-10 yards (adequate for defensive shooting). Thanks especially for the advice on the wooden grips. Dad did keep a set of rather gaudy "pearl" grips for it, although he preferred the wood.  I think I might put the pearl grips on it, as you suggest.  Thanks also for the info on extra magazines. Think I may go look for one today.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: thagooseN8er on October 12, 2017, 08:05:22 PM
can any1 help? can these serial numbers be tracked to a us citizen? are permits needed to purchase these guns?
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on October 12, 2017, 09:19:55 PM
Welcome to the forum, Goose!  Not quite sure what you mean by "tracked to a U.S. citizen".  Yes ... anyone over the age of 21 with no felonies can purchase without permits.  If you do not have at least a Type 03 (Collector of Curios and Relics) Federal Firearms License you will have to ship to a licensed gun dealer who will charge you a fee (about $35) to handle the transfer.

Anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: jcorl on October 14, 2017, 03:08:33 PM
Dear Run,  Happy you posted your great find, but I think it may be posted in the wrong thread.  Anxious to see some photos of it and the holster.  It sounds like a great gun.  The full serial number will help.  We share on this forum the full serial numbers and other indentification factors on examples. 

Jim
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: dpm010101 on January 14, 2018, 05:16:09 PM
Gentlemen


I'm new to this forum.  Like other forums I've looked at, it's clear that there are some extremely well informed people here.  So I'm hoping you folks can provide me with some insight.


I've just acquired an HSc, 7.65 cal, Ser No 807925.  The only markings are the eagle over N on the right side of the trigger guard next to the grip and on the right side of the slide near the muzzle.  As best as I can determine this gun was a so-called commercial issue manufactured in 1942.  I was fortunate to find a very clean example.  The blueing is nearly 100% intact with some holster wear at the very front end of the slide and on the usual outside corners on the front half of the gun.


I'm trying to get a sense of who might have purchased this gun originally.  I realize this is a crystal ball question with no possible definitive answer.  Nonetheless there must have been some generalizations or I perhaps a short list of the types of people who were purchasing commercial HSc's during the war years.  I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts.


Best regards,


Dave
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on January 14, 2018, 05:34:28 PM
To be more specific, your Wartime Commercial HSc was produced in December 1942.  In answer to your question, private sale of firearms in Germany was restricted to government authorized purchasers only. This would include military personnel, the political elite, and special interest groups such as friendly foreign government dignitaries.

Hope that helps.  Anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: dpm010101 on January 14, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
Thanks Warbird


I appreciate knowing it's manufacture date that accurately.  It also confirms what I thought about who could buy it.  I recall hearing that Germany exercised a fair amount of gun control during the Nazi era.


Best regards,


Dave
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Bear54 on May 07, 2018, 11:48:40 AM
Hello All
I'am new to the forum and have recently acquired a  HSC 380 by interarms serial #01.29640
Any help on year of manufacture would be appreciated.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on May 07, 2018, 12:42:29 PM
Your HSc production date was about 1973.  Hope that helps.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Sharpshooter135 on July 11, 2018, 04:30:16 PM
Hello All,
I just purchased a Mauser hsc serial 734071.
It's has an eagle topped with letter N,there are some faded marks on the left trigger guard,will post pictures  once I receive it by next week.
Any info like month, year of manufacture etc.will be appreciated.


Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 11, 2018, 04:46:35 PM
Welcome to the forum, Sharpshooter!  Your HSc was produced in September 1941.  Any other information can only be available when your pictures are posted showing that left Trigger Guard and overall condition of the finish and Grips.  You also need to confirm that all serial numbers match.  Look forward to your next post.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on July 13, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
Hi to you all !
I recently posted in the Central Powers and Axis Pistols Forum a Mauser HSc, serial number 739293, which was supposedly made in 1941.
Could you narrow the date of manufacture?
Thank you so much
Fausto from  Italy
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 13, 2018, 05:08:57 PM
Welcome Fausto!  I would be glad to help but can you tell me first if your HSc has military, police, or just Commercial markings?  Look forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on July 13, 2018, 05:48:36 PM
Thank you so much for your kind and quick reply...
It has a large E-655 Heer acceptance mark... The holster is a jhg 42 with WaA 266 acceptance mark...
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 13, 2018, 06:00:35 PM
Thanks for sharing, Fausto.  Your Early Wartime Army HSc was produced in October 1941 so it was just under 1 year (December 1940) that the HSc was on the production line.  Most of the production in 1941 went to the Army along with Police.  A few were made for the Navy and Commercial sales.

Anything else, let me know.  Regards.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on July 14, 2018, 01:46:18 AM
Thanks a bunch !
Fausto
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: gunhorde on July 14, 2018, 04:54:46 PM
I picked up my first Hauser HSc at the Wannamacher show this past April in Tulsa. First time attending the show too.

Mine is a 1941 production matching police marked example. (E/L). Minor finish wear and freckling right along the lower edges of the slide, nothing I can't live with. Grips are perfect with minor wear, no cracks or chips. I got it from a private seller so it was a cash & carry deal, no papers.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on July 14, 2018, 05:09:34 PM
Welcome to the forum, Gunhorde!  There is no such thing as "dipping your toe in the water" with the HSc.  It becomes a passion instead of a hobby.  I still remember my first HSc purchase more than 40 years ago (it took me that long to write the book!).

If you care to share the complete serial number and/or photos, I could see if there is any history in our extensive HSc database including a production date.  In any event, good to hear from you!
Title: Date of manufacture of a late bakelite grips...
Post by: Fausto on August 02, 2018, 02:25:06 PM
Hello!
I would be very pleased to know the date of manufacture of my last entry : a bakelite grips HSc s.n. 932279...
Thank you so much...
Fausto
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on August 02, 2018, 02:36:19 PM
Hello Fausto!  Your Late Wartime Army HSc was produced in November 1944.  Anything else let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on August 02, 2018, 04:41:26 PM
Thanks Alan ! That's very kind of you...
Fausto
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on August 03, 2018, 12:11:12 PM
Here again, Alan...
Could you let me know when has been manufactured my HSc Heer E-WaA135, walnut grips, serial number 919472 ?
This the last of my four HSc's not yet documented...
Thanks again for your kindness...
Fausto
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on August 03, 2018, 01:20:57 PM
Hello again, Fausto.  This HSc was made in August 1944.  Glad to help!
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Fausto on August 03, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
Thanks a bunch !
Fausto
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: kaeros on September 06, 2018, 09:29:35 PM
My father gifted me an HSc this evening. I honestly thought it was a post war and he gave it to me mostly because I enjoyed firing it when we took it out to shoot. I've been trying to get more info on it though, and was wondering what you could tell me.


The serial is 721436, it's marked 655 under the eagle on the left of the trigger guard, and has an N on the right under the eagle, as well as on the end of the right barrel.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on September 07, 2018, 01:38:31 PM
Congratulations on your gift and welcome to the Forum!  Your Early Wartime German Army or Heerwas made in June 1941, just six months after production began.  As you can see on the Production Chart, the Army was the largest buyer of the HSc during WWII.

Hopefully, all three serial numbers match on your pistol.  Look for them on the Barrel Breech, nose of the Slide, and, of course, on the Frame bottom of the Grip.  These Early Wartime pistols are prized by collectors because of their fine finish and precise construction.  As the war progressed quality was sacrificed for output to a certain extent.

If there is anything else, let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: HunterWulf on November 25, 2018, 05:03:02 PM
New to HScs: Can someone more knowledgable give me a value estimate for an very good-excellent condition all matching 1943 manufacture 4th variation commercial model with 1 mag and a 1941 holster?


Thanks.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on November 26, 2018, 06:39:40 AM
Welcome to the Forum, HunterWulf.  Commercial variations were not numbered by Jan Still and to get a valuation you will need to provide a serial number.  Also, identify the Magazine by describing it's base and what type Holster do you have and  is it marked.  See this post, Reply #1, for types of Holsters:

http://www.mauserguns.com/forum/index.php/topic,94.msg281.html#msg281
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: HunterWulf on November 26, 2018, 04:25:32 PM
My bad; I misunderstood the chart. It is in the 870,000 S/N range. I assume commercial as I could not find any of the military or LE acceptance stamps anywhere other than the basic three E/Ns. I believe it is the "military" style finish as it appears to have been blued as ground/machined. The bluing is in excellent condition with only minor spots of "in the white" metal on a couple hard corners from holster use. Magazine floorplate is pretty plain, flat, unpolished blue, with no markings. It is retained with a little cut out on one side which a tab on the magazine spring catches in, and the rear area of the floorplate has a relieved spot, like for a flathead screwdriver or similar tool to help remove the plate. Holster is  Army style, with a Genschow A.G. Berlin, 1941 stamp on the underflap. Anything else I need to look for?
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on November 27, 2018, 01:24:02 PM
The Magazine is the correct vintage for this HSc.  You will want to be sure all three serial numbers match.  I cannot give you a value without the full serial number.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: HunterWulf on November 28, 2018, 01:48:07 AM
S/N is 877352, matching all three places.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Warbird on November 28, 2018, 09:16:39 AM
Your Late Wartime Commercial HSc was produced in December 1943.  Value as you described the pistol is between $600 and $700.  Hope that answers your questions.  Anything else, please let me know.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: HunterWulf on November 28, 2018, 11:27:38 AM
That does help, thank you.
Title: Re: HSc Production Chart
Post by: Pete on December 02, 2018, 06:47:02 PM
Ok tks man what about the holster do you know?