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Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Unusual Mod.1910
« on: September 10, 2014, 05:17:52 PM »
The star on the base toe is typical of all Sidelatch magazines.
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Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Unusual Mod.1910
« on: September 10, 2014, 12:42:50 PM »
That is truely a shame as it is a key peice to the evolution of the design.
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483
Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Unusual Mod.1910
« on: September 10, 2014, 11:31:07 AM »
Yes, that is a Sidelatch bottle neck extractor. Please don't tell me this example has been deactivated? Are you in France?
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Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Unusual Mod.1910
« on: September 10, 2014, 10:24:17 AM »
Okay, then here are some more observations. I believe it is real. I just made the photo shop comment because it looks to be made up from different caliber and model variations. The French seller does point to the possibility that this came out of the factory collection. The “Mauser train” was looted in France and the French took possession of the factory post war because it was in their sector. The cut out in the side plate (left side) is a humpback feature. The milled panel on the right side is typical of Humpbacks, 1914 early production and 1914 war era examples but only .32 caliber examples. This is the first time I have seen one on a .25 caliber. I now see that the magazine is a Sidelatch magazine but it is blued where Sidelatch magazines are typically nickel plated. The front sight is correct for a Sidelatch and I now see that the barrel take down rod is held in place by the typical Sidelatch notch in the bottom of the barrel. The serial number places it in the middle of Sidelatch production. Does it have the bottle neck shaped extractor? My guess would be that you have a workshop prototype. It was most likely made to test some new ideas for production most notably the method of machining the trigger pivot into the frame so the side latch feature could be dropped. This is a best guess on my part. It could be a one-of-a-kind pistol. Congratulations!
485
Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Frame number
« on: September 10, 2014, 08:10:05 AM »
I am not sure of the exact number but I have 414 and it has a matching numbered magazine.
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486
Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Unusual Mod.1910
« on: September 10, 2014, 07:57:17 AM »
It is a very unusual example and I am not sure what to make of it. Where did it come from? Is there any provenance with it? The frame has .32 caliber Humpback features as well as Sidelatch features. The grip is from a 1910/34 and appears to not fit like it should. I would suggest that they where replaced at some point. The front sight is not what I would expect but there are many things that are not what I would expect. The slide is 1910/14 new model. The magazine appears to be an aftermarket. What caliber is it? What is the serial number? I would almost say it has been photo-shopped but 3 different images? I would need to do an in hand examination and disassemble to comment further.
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487
Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Frame number
« on: September 09, 2014, 04:53:02 PM »
No worries, it happens from time to time. The frame numbers are on the 1910 sidelatch till the 1910/14 standard model. I will have to check my research matterial to provide approximate serial number ranges for the point they become out of sync and when they stop. I have not checked my early 3 digit serial number Sidelatch to see if it has a frame number but I suspect it does.
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488
Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Frame number
« on: September 09, 2014, 09:27:27 AM »
saxon & geert45,
First, My name is Burgess, NOT Bob.
Frame numbers: Found on early .25 caliber Mauser pocket models. Located under the magazine catch spring. On the earliest examples the number is the same as the serial number. At some point the numbers become out of sync with the serial number. This may of occured during the WWI era when production of the .25 caliber model decreased dramaticly and may have even stopped for a period. There is also a gap in the serial number range on or about the same time. The frame number may of been used as an inventory number at some point. Also, at some point the frame numbering stopped. Initial research on frame numbers is credited to John LaCroix, a former NAPCA member who published his research in AutoMag, NAPCA's monthly news letter.
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Burgess Mason
First, My name is Burgess, NOT Bob.
Frame numbers: Found on early .25 caliber Mauser pocket models. Located under the magazine catch spring. On the earliest examples the number is the same as the serial number. At some point the numbers become out of sync with the serial number. This may of occured during the WWI era when production of the .25 caliber model decreased dramaticly and may have even stopped for a period. There is also a gap in the serial number range on or about the same time. The frame number may of been used as an inventory number at some point. Also, at some point the frame numbering stopped. Initial research on frame numbers is credited to John LaCroix, a former NAPCA member who published his research in AutoMag, NAPCA's monthly news letter.
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Burgess Mason
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Model 1910 Pistol / Re: Frame number
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:55:58 AM »
Warbird is more of an HSC guy. Would you be interested in what I can provide? If yes, please describe the location of the frame number you are refering to and provide a detailed description of the example you are asking about. Please start with the complete serial number.
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490
General Discussion / Re: Broomhandle C96 Turkish
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:50:44 AM »
If you post it here I will bring it to the attention of many knowledgable collectors that will offer opinions or you could try Jan Still's Luger forum or GunValuesBoard.com.
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491
Model HSC Pistol / Re: Firing the Eagle F
« on: August 14, 2014, 04:45:44 PM »
Peter, - I think this user did that in a previous post. Regards, - Burgess
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Model HSC Pistol / Re: Anything to make you happy! Hate to see grown men with their panties knotted up.
« on: August 05, 2014, 03:07:10 PM »
I have been told the plastic is softer on the repros but I am not aware of a way to tell/test the difference. With originals being at least 70 years older would think signs of wear would be a good clue of original grips.
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Model HSC Pistol / Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
« on: August 05, 2014, 12:54:57 PM »
I agree that Murton should be willing to share the serial number. I just wanted to point out that the reason given when asking for it was not correct. I am funny that way. I have participated in many forums for several years now and have freely shared what I have learned about Mausers. Most of the time users have shown appreciation for what I have provided and a few have shown that "user" applies to them in more than one way. I have always felt forums are the venue for the free exchange of information about a shared interest. I also feel that it should be in a polite and respectful way.
So, Murton there are those here who would appreciate it if you provided the complete serial number if you don't mind?
Oh, Jim you should be aware that there are repro plastic grips comming out of eastern Europe that are made from the same molds as the originals were. It is hard to tell them apart.
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So, Murton there are those here who would appreciate it if you provided the complete serial number if you don't mind?
Oh, Jim you should be aware that there are repro plastic grips comming out of eastern Europe that are made from the same molds as the originals were. It is hard to tell them apart.
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Model HSC Pistol / Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
« on: August 04, 2014, 03:49:17 PM »
Why would you need to know the complete serial number to determine value?
I maintain a database of 1910, 1914, 1934 and WTP examples and I require the complete serial number to know which examples I have recorded. It is nice when someone is seeking information to provide information, like a complete serial number, to benifit those who do research.
It is estimated that only 2500 HSCs were marked with the Eagle/F. This makes it a rare marking variation and the condition of this example appears to be very good. It also has plastic grips which are less common than wood grips. If all the serial numbers match and everything is correct it is MHO that value is in the $1000-1500. That said one can only see so much in 2 pictures and 2 of the serial numbers are internal and cannot be seen without disassembly. So it could be worth less and for someone who is looking for the variation it could be worth more.
I would be interested to know what Warbird thinks of value.
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I maintain a database of 1910, 1914, 1934 and WTP examples and I require the complete serial number to know which examples I have recorded. It is nice when someone is seeking information to provide information, like a complete serial number, to benifit those who do research.
It is estimated that only 2500 HSCs were marked with the Eagle/F. This makes it a rare marking variation and the condition of this example appears to be very good. It also has plastic grips which are less common than wood grips. If all the serial numbers match and everything is correct it is MHO that value is in the $1000-1500. That said one can only see so much in 2 pictures and 2 of the serial numbers are internal and cannot be seen without disassembly. So it could be worth less and for someone who is looking for the variation it could be worth more.
I would be interested to know what Warbird thinks of value.
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