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Model HSC Pistol / Re: Alan D. Burnham (Warbird)
« on: August 05, 2021, 12:57:52 PM »
Late comer here and just learning of this.  I am deeply saddened to learn of Alan's passing.  I concur 100% with Jcorl.  Was coming on to look up old info on phosphate HScs.  Given my primary interest in the HSc Alan's loss is devastating.

Has anyone made contact with Peter to know if he has access to Alan's extensive data base?  Is anyone taking this over?
Still in shock on this one.
Will miss his friendly, courteous and informed exchanges.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Low Grip Screw HSC on GunBroker
« on: November 18, 2020, 07:59:40 PM »
JCORL.  Took me a while to get back to the forums.  I was tracking this LGS and wish I had the $ to put in that direction at the time but alas, life has it's turns.  I am glad it went to someone "in the family".  It is a fine example with metal that would be hard to beat.  I don't look that good and I am not 80yrs old yet!  CONGRATS!

Mauser P38 Pistol / Re: A Mauser BYF 42
« on: November 18, 2017, 05:08:09 PM »
Nice.  Really like the non-walther P-38s especially the variation in the Mausers.  My byf42 is a little later than yours in the "a" series.  The "black" finish is neat but seems less durable than the subsequent blued.  Mine was the second P38 I ever purchased.  Enjoy it.  They are hard to come by now.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
« on: February 25, 2017, 04:55:44 PM »
Thanks for popping in Allan!.  I realize the prototypes phosphates are in a different serial range (early 44) but Murton's version appears to have the phosphate finished barrel I generally connect with the prototype phosphates.  That is my point.....not a match for the later production phosphates I have seen.  Or have you seen/recorded phosphate barrels in "production" phosphates of 1945?

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
« on: February 25, 2017, 04:10:55 PM »
I appreciate your following through on this forum also.  I was about to post here also.  This appears to be a true phosphate example and an E/F though as you indicate it is difficult to tell based on the two photos.  To my eyes it actually appears to be representative of the early phosphates, both police and army, that came out in early 1944.  It appears the barrel is phosphate finished also which I consider characteristic of these early phosphate "prototypes".  I use prototype as the theory put forth by Allan and Peter is that this "short run" was used as a demonstration of the phosphate finish for the military and police contracts. 

This appears to be a left over of  "prototype" phosphate that was brought out for finishing during the later stages of the production and finished as an E/F.  Regardless, if the finish can be confirmed, it is indeed a phosphate E/F. [/size] Your research efforts are[/size] are appreciated.....Hopefully, Murton can respond or Jim could perhaps clarify.

General Discussion / Re: Uniform Question, United States Army Air Corps
« on: November 19, 2016, 10:40:53 AM »
I can't make out the detail of the triangular patch.  These are trade or specialty insignia.  They are blue with a yellow/gold, weather vane, bomb (I think).  I don't have a good source for them at hand but these are what I have run into while collecting.  I'm not finding the bar you mention...left sleeve may show a ~1.5 inch "bar" for each 6 months service overseas.  Hope that helps.

Model 1914 Pistol / Re: 1914 Mauser with added number to serial?
« on: March 05, 2016, 06:10:44 PM »
Pardt.  Definitely a pistol with some history.  Now if we could just get it to talk!!  I think the markings on these Mauser pocket pistols (and others similar to them) make them very intriguing.  I am also fond of police marked pistols.  I think Vlim is correct that on of the armorers "remarking" this particular pistol took it upon himself to "maintain" the original serial.  Enjoy it!

Model 1914 Pistol / Re: 1914 Mauser with added number to serial?
« on: February 20, 2016, 02:02:57 PM »
The "2" and perhaps the "8" appear to be restrikes of the original serial.  They both appear to be slightly different fonts and/or sizes.  As you likely know the position of the "2" close end of the slide would get wear to the point some frequently removed and reinserted in a holster would fade.  Thus the recessed area that came into existence in the 1934 model.  The original number(s) appear to be legit and 1914Mauser knows better than most the potential time period and appropriate features for the period.  Nice police example.  These seem to be catching on with some collectors.

Model 1934 Pistol / Re: Japanese holster
« on: October 20, 2015, 07:47:35 PM »
Congrats!  Looks like a great, well-made holster and the fit is ideal.  Curious if you have a type 94 to try in it?  Just curious.  Enjoy!

Model 1934 Pistol / Re: Japanese holster
« on: October 17, 2015, 03:57:08 PM »
I concur that it appears to be a Japanese style.  Normally see rings as Burgess mentioned.  I can see the imprint of what could be a Japanese Type 94 in  the backside leather.  I believe the Japanese Officers had to purchase there own pistols so perhaps a custom holster is not out of line.  I suspect Type 94, Browning 1910, Mauser 7.65 1-14/34, or perhaps even a Colt .32 auto could all fit.....the question is which one was carried in this holster the first time it was used!  Let us know.  Nice find!

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Early KM Source
« on: February 18, 2015, 07:24:34 PM »
I am not familiar with Mr. Gilmer but if he has information on this subject and is a member here I hope he responds.


Model HSC Pistol / Re: Early KM Source
« on: February 16, 2015, 08:00:25 PM »
Alan,  Thanks for the clarification on the use of the term "channel" I could not recall the wording when I got to the computer. 
Along your line of thought Jim, perhaps Pender had no definitive source but speculated that the absence of a army proof meant a commercial source (he lacked your extensive database and the precise understanding of when the first Army HSc appeared).  A plausible theory when you think that the initial HSc (LGSs) were primarily KM with some commercials - army markings came later.  So perhaps initially there were only unproofed "commercial" units of which some were obtained by the smallest member of the Wehrmacht (the KM) and distinguished "after the fact" with a pantograph.  Under this theory with all units would be coming directly from Mauser.  I can see the Army [with promise of the acquisition of many units (HScs) and perhaps the police given the volume they acquired initially] requiring a formal process for acceptance and "proofing" to distinguish the their units somewhere prior to the end of the actual production process.  This would prevent the KM from snatching up 1st-choice pistols already set aside by the Army.  All said and done, we may never know for certain - :( .

Alan, isn't it safe to conclude that anything with a III/8 proof came directly from Mauser as the proof was put on prior to bluing?  This seems to suggest that an inspector was at Mauser accepting pistols within the assembly process the same as the Army.

Thanks for the input and response.


Model HSC Pistol / Early KM Source
« on: February 15, 2015, 06:01:51 PM »
Alan, I was paging through Pender today and read in a description of the early KM pantographed E/M that he thought them to originate from "commercial" sources.  I know the markings were put on by the Kriegsmarine but I suspected that they had come directly from Mauser to the KM.  Curious if you have sources that indicate whether the KM got HScs directly from Mauser, "Commercial" sources, or perhaps both.
Hope you are warm where you are - obviously snuggling up with my HSc references to stay warm here!
Thanks!  Rob

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Post-War French Acquisition
« on: December 20, 2014, 08:40:00 PM »

Very nice acquisition.  I actually saw this one before you snagged it.  I was itching to drop the hammer but held back in anticipation of funding needed for a KM marked 1934 (which I didn't end up with).  She is a beauty and will round out the "French Connection" of an HSc collection well.  Congrats!!  Perhaps a "bird" in hand is indeed worth a KM in the bush!  Happy Holidays my friends....hopefully HScs for all in the New Year!

« on: May 09, 2014, 10:48:28 PM »
Damn Peter, I've got tears in my eyes! :'( :'( :'(

As I have said to some fellow collectors it is unfortunate that the "simple" HSc has now come of age only to be a subject of fraud and disception.  Like many other areas of Third Reich relics and firearm collecting this takes the fun and enjoyment out of things.  The risk of a now VERY expensive "bad" acquisition is a definite turn off.

Thanks also for the info on the "new" fake inspection stamps.  I saw these first several years ago aimed at the K98 market.  They are expanding as the faking business becomes potentially more profitable.

Buyer Beware.

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