Mauser Guns Collectors Forum
Pistols => Model HSC Pistol => Topic started by: DerAck on March 23, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
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Greetings Alle
Have very recently taken possession of "An HSc Rig" - comprised of a about flawless late
by Ser.# 850575, "Peak War Series", Eagle/F pistol. These, I'd been led to believe, were
only mfg. during 1945 - and my serial # indicates mfg. in late August of '43.
The piece came in a dark burnished looking brown "Strap Up" E/B stamped holster which
also bears a WaA1,possibly 4, and unknown last digit - both stampings on flap beneath the
strap. The piece wears the "Military Blue" finish, has the earlier "Etched" slide markings, sans
3 lines & with vert. lines in Mauser logo. The grip panels are of unmarred dark brown vertically
grained wood. Both magazines are of in-the-white bodies with blued floor plates, without either
the Mauser logo - or indents.
Other stampings consist of the E/N on right of trigger guard and right tip of slide at muzzle.
This being my first HSc - I've purchased "The Mauser HSc Pistol" volume. My Posting here
being for whatever, if any, information may be gleaned by the members herein.
At present, I've not taken any photos of the lil jewel.
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Welcome to the forum, DerAck. Unfortunately, your HSc is much too early in production to be an Eagle/F. It has already been reported as a Commercial HSc produced during a considerably large run of this type. Perhaps if you could photograph the Eagle/F on the left Trigger Guard web we can clear this up. The first Eagle/F was 945568 made in January 1945.
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Warbird
Well, this being my fourth attempt at uploading photos to your Forum -
My little Canon SX150 IS took half a dozen photos of my newest acquisition,
paying particular attention to the "Impossible" stick Adler mit Hakenkreuz und "F"
thereupon - and one of the Front Strap Serial #.
My photos range from 1.43MB to 1.69MB - your Forum machinery informs me
that no photo may exceed 1024 KB. Suggestions??
Whatever - it is definitely an E/F - and unless some critter has made himself such a
stamp (if so, a mighty fine job was done) or, there are genuine/original E/F stamps
lurking about - then It's, as my original post questioned or suggested - It Is Real!
If You Catch My Drift.
It's presently 2153hrs. and I'm about to get something to eat - and go fly RoF for awhile -
No offense intended.
Guten Nacht
DerAck
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None taken, DerAck. The truth can sometimes be a bitter pill to swallow. May I suggest you go elsewhere to find the confirmation you seek.
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Eagle/F stamps have been available on E-bay for a few years now. Slapping the back of a stamp with the business end against the right spot of a commercial example is the easiest way to fake a more valuable example. Serial number databases and knowledge of what is correct is the best way to protect yourself against such fakes. If I had a HSC question Warbird is the one person I would ask and know that I would get an honest answer.
Regards,
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Greetings, again
Ah, it is a New Day - and I'll begin here with a very sincere apology to Herr "Warbird" last night - for my
attitude - which was brought about by my realization of knowing He, in his assessment of my Pristine
appearing "E/F" piece - to be totally accurate. I had, via my own limited research, subsequent to purchase
of course, combined with a previous (03/10/12) experience with the same seller - formed doubts re the
authenticity of my HSc. Such doubts being the primary reason for my original posting's Subject/Title - I knew,
or at least expected I was likely to receive exactly the reply rendered by Warbird - and was not all too surprised
to have received same. This was subsequent to having purchased my copy of Warbird's co-authored volume.
His statement re the Truth being a bitter pill to swallow is most accurate also.
Now, am not certain if what I'm about to state now is "Verboten" here - if so, kindly delete this reply.
On 10 March, 2012, I took possession of a BYF'41 Luger, purchased on Guns America for $2500.00 -
from a seller utilizing the name of Mister Luger. Upon taking delivery at my local Post Office, I opened the
package immediately upon entering my truck in the parking lot. IT was absolutely beautiful, TOO Absolutely
Beautiful - not a scratch, perfect bluing at the muzzle, on the side plate, on both grip straps - I field stripped
it in the truck - perfect bluing within - slide and frame rails & grooves, magazine channel - all perfect, unmarred
bluing. After a telephonic discussion w/Herr Mr. Luger, it went back - I'd swapped the '41 for what was a less
than absolutely perfect, but bearing evidence of at least original use - BYF'42 - which I have yet today.
I've viewed Many of Mr. Luger's offerings on GA in the past five years and have taken many opportunities to utilize
the "Ask the Seller A Question" to make comment to Mr. Luger of the bluing over obvious pitting on various pieces,
the lighter greenish blue of Cold Blue having been slopped over various areas of "former" wear. I've received very few
(None) replies. Mr. Luger, in conversation states re-bluing is not just re-bluing - but "Restoration" - and what his buying
public desires.
To conclude my ramblings here - all my frustrations with my HSc have been entirely of my own doings - I viewed It on GA,
was & Is positively the nicest HSc I've ever viewed (Hint) - here comes the Punch Line - I purchased It, on telephone, from
Mr. Luger - it was/is EXACTLY as the BYF'41 - Totally Reblued/"Restored" - and further "Enhanced/Upgraded" to E/F status.
The SOB did it to me twice - and it's entirely my own damned fault!!
I sent Mr. Luger a much less than charming Email last evening - Much, Much less than charming. He, as a gracious act, has
replied stating he'll gladly refund all funds - if I never attempt to do business with him again. Ya Think??
I might just keep the HSc - as a Reminder - should I again need One
Thanks for listening.
DerAck
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You can send me your photos and I will post them for you.
Jim
jcorl@klmtel.net
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Apology is, of course, accepted. Emotions can run high in our chosen pastime and I always try to let someone down as easily as possible with bad news. Anyway, thanks for purchasing our book and you can be sure that all the facts are in there without being "refinished". I/we are always here to answer questions, preferably before a purchase is made!
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You can send me your photos and I will post them for you.
Jim
jcorl@klmtel.net
Ah, jcorl/Jim
I thank you for the offer - had thought last night to attempt to reduce the size of
each pertinent photo - to enable my uploading Here - by that time I'd had enough of the entire issue.
As things stand - for what purpose - do you think the members Here would be interested
in viewing a totally "Restored" Commercial HSc - which has been "Enhanced" by the addition
of a Fake (at least definitely not applied by the "Good Guys"/I'm a ins Stadt Bremen geboren War Brat) E/F ??
Vielen Dank
DerAck
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Members can learn as much from a fake as they can from a correct original example, if you need a reason to post pictures. Also, I commend you for not only sharing your story but for naming the seller who seems to be purposely trying to deceive and selling boosted items.
Regards,
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Education can only help our members, both new and senior. I will reduce the size of those photos by software. Jim
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Members can learn as much from a fake as they can from a correct original example, if you need a reason to post pictures. Also, I commend you for not only sharing your story but for naming the seller who seems to be purposely trying to deceive and selling boosted items.
Regards,
'14 Mauser
I had misgivings re the possible/probable reactions of the members herein were I to include Mr. Luger's business name - whose given name is Walter
Smeddy, of Lancaster, PA. Thing being, I had informed him in my less (Much, Much) than gracious message last night - that I fully intended to Introduce
and offer him up on a platter at/in every firearm related Forum of which I'm a member - - and to every firearm related contact with whom I'm acquainted
both personally and On-Line. I intend to keep my Word. I gave him a "Positive" rating on GA in 2012, stating our transaction re the BYF'41 Luger had been completed with "Issues". Not This time. I'm a 32+ year retired NYSP Member, a Gunsmith for 25+ years, and a half-assed dealer (Buy more than Sell) and have been collecting Deutsche Waffen , predominately military, since separating from USN in '68. I've only been stung thrice, twice by Mr. Luger
and once by a somewhat renowned SB by name of Roger F. Honts - who continues to peddle as "German Guns" on GA. Google His name! Herr Smeddy has succeeded in getting me Mad. No Quarter offered! My apologies, I'm venting.
Guten Nacht/Morgen Alle
DerAck
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If you use vetted dealers like Legacy Collectables (Toms site) or Pre98 (Scotty Benedict) You will get what you pay for. They also will guarantee guns are what they are supposed to be. They also post many pictures at different angles too of each gun they have for sale.
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Posting of photos. The strike appears hard and a little low to me, but the main thing that sticks out is the entire stamp appears larger than original. I had great large quality photos to view. When I reduced their file size, they lost some quality.
Jim
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Grüsse Jim
Am pleased you received the photos and were able to work your wizardry with them.
Understand your mention of "The Strike being a little low" - the bottom of Hakenkreuz ist
at the very edge of the TG - - but, just how does a Strike appear "Hard", "Soft", or "Just
Right"??
"Great Large Quality Photos to view" - - all credit must go to the Canon "On Auto' - as I
most certainly had nothing to do with either the Size - or Quality.
Perhaps now, this Posting/Thread/Topic/Whatever can be put zum Bett ??
Regards,
DerAck
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If you use vetted dealers like Legacy Collectables (Toms site) or Pre98 (Scotty Benedict) You will get what you pay for. They also will guarantee guns are what they are supposed to be. They also post many pictures at different angles too of each gun they have for sale.
I cannot speak for Pre98 but as for Legacy there have been many examples from this dealer that have turned out to be questionable if not outright boosted. I would say the majority of their items are correct but there have been examples that where clearly not right and they were aware of it and did not bother to mention the issues when describing for sale. I do not know how or by whom you can call any dealer "vetted" as this is a business for them. When they acquire or get stuck with a boosted item they will try to pass it on at a profit if they can.
This Eagle/F stamp may appear slightly off location, the stamp used may also be slightly larger than a correct stamp. A close up would help. The low serial number is the biggest tell. If this has been refinished it appears well done. look how the muzzle appears to have some high edge wear.
Regards,
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1914mauser
I have done extsive business with Legacy over several years i know personaaly that if there is something not right they will take it back for a full refund. I have done that once. No problems at all.
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If you want to vouch for them that is your privilege. Taking bad items back is good for business. Was the item misrepresented? I stand by my statement without reservations.
Regards,
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I could have been more clear. The hard strike was very deep and all edges were pronounced. The stamp appeared somewhat larger than I might suggest is normal. Happy to be of assistance. Jim
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I think the lesson is that no matter who you purchase from it is best to be cautious and do your research. I have purchased from both pre98 and legacy and wouldnt hesitate to do further business with either. But I have noticed several legacy listings that weren't quite 100% accurate.
But at the end of the day you do know that if you aren't satisfied you can return a item.
Lastly thank you for the photos of the original hsc in question. It is a shame that it's collectible status has now been removed
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OK ... I think we have taken this about as far as we need to. This thread is closed.