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Pistols => Model HSC Pistol => Topic started by: murton on August 04, 2014, 01:40:37 AM

Title: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: murton on August 04, 2014, 01:40:37 AM
New member here. Wonder if anyone could help me value wise on this HSC? Thanks!


#1, Eagle N on right side of barrel.


#2, Last 3 digits of serial number on under surface of barrel.


#3, Last  3 digits of serial number on under side of front of slide.


#4, Eagle N on front right side of slide.


#5, Body of unmarked magazine, in the white.


Excellent condition inside and out. Looks like it's been stashed in somebodies sock drawer for the last 65+ years.










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Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: donp326 on August 04, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
we would need to see the complete serial too to make any judgement on value.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: 1914mauser on August 04, 2014, 03:49:17 PM
Why would you need to know the complete serial number to determine value?
I maintain a database of 1910, 1914, 1934 and WTP examples and I require the complete serial number to know which examples I have recorded. It is nice when someone is seeking information to provide information, like a complete serial number, to benifit  those who do research.
It is estimated that only 2500 HSCs were marked with the Eagle/F. This makes it a rare marking variation and the condition of this example appears to be very good. It also has plastic grips which are less common than wood grips. If all the serial numbers match and everything is correct it is MHO that value is in the $1000-1500. That said one can only see so much in 2 pictures and 2 of the serial numbers are internal and cannot be seen without disassembly. So it could be worth less and for someone who is looking for the variation it could be worth more.
I would be interested to know what Warbird  thinks of value.
Regards,
 
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: jcorl on August 04, 2014, 04:58:40 PM
Those grips don't look like my ejo grips.  Can you photo the inside to see, if they are repros? I like the example!!! Should have the late war, indent mag to be correct, not a flat bottom mag.

Jim
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: murton on August 05, 2014, 01:55:52 AM
Those grips don't look like my ejo grips.  Can you photo the inside to see, if they are repros? I like the example!!! Should have the late war, indent mag to be correct, not a flat bottom mag.

Jim




Got the grips off, without buggering up the slots in the screws. The right grip is marked inside, "ejo 2229 1". Left, "ejo 2228 2". There is also a unknown marking that appears to trademark next to the numbers? I'll break out the camera tomorrow, to get the photos, you requested.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: donp326 on August 05, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Why would you need to know the complete serial number to determine value?
I maintain a database of 1910, 1914, 1934 and WTP examples and I require the complete serial number to know which examples I have recorded. It is nice when someone is seeking information to provide information, like a complete serial number, to benifit  those who do research.
It is estimated that only 2500 HSCs were marked with the Eagle/F. This makes it a rare marking variation and the condition of this example appears to be very good. It also has plastic grips which are less common than wood grips. If all the serial numbers match and everything is correct it is MHO that value is in the $1000-1500. That said one can only see so much in 2 pictures and 2 of the serial numbers are internal and cannot be seen without disassembly. So it could be worth less and for someone who is looking for the variation it could be worth more.
I would be interested to know what Warbird  thinks of value.
Regards,


You make a good point but what I was after was to be sure n this gun was in the correct range for what he said it was.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: jcorl on August 05, 2014, 10:40:24 AM
I questioned those grips as they seem "too factory fresh".  Sounds like they are the real deal.  I could not see a single scratch or mar on them.   Looks like a very nice example.  It is a keeper in my books.

Jim
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: Warbird on August 05, 2014, 12:00:53 PM
I agree with your valuation, Burgess.  $1,000 to $1,500 would be about right although I would still like him to share the serial number with us.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: jcorl on August 05, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
Murton,

Sharing the full serial number is the gentlemanly, correct thing to do.

Jim 
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: 1914mauser on August 05, 2014, 12:54:57 PM
I agree that Murton should be willing to share the serial number. I just wanted to point out that the reason given when asking for it was not correct. I am funny that way. I have participated in many forums for several years now and have freely shared what I have learned about Mausers. Most of the time users have shown appreciation for what I have provided and a few have shown that "user" applies to them in more than one way. I have always felt forums are the venue for the free exchange of information about a shared interest. I also feel that it should be in a polite and respectful way.
 
So, Murton there are those here who would appreciate it if you provided the complete serial number if you don't mind?
 
Oh, Jim you should be aware that there are repro plastic grips comming out of eastern Europe that are made from the same molds as the originals were. It is hard to tell them apart.
 
Regards,
 
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: jcorl on August 05, 2014, 02:06:11 PM
No I was not aware of that.  Thank you for that valuable info.  Those on that "F" just look perfect, almost too perfect.

Jim
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: donp326 on August 06, 2014, 12:13:04 PM
The serial range for for Eagle F.  Jan Still gives it as: 946120-948703. I don't know if it's been expanded either way.  I also don't know if the OP 's HSc Eagle F falls with this range.  Please provide you full serial number.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: murton on August 06, 2014, 12:25:07 PM
The serial range for for Eagle F.  Jan Still gives it as: 946120-948703. I don't know if it's been expanded either way.  I also don't know if the OP 's HSc Eagle F falls with this range.  Please provide you full serial number.






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Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: donp326 on August 06, 2014, 02:16:29 PM
Can't tell if the third digit is an 8 or 9 could you post the serial as the picture is somewhat fuzzy.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: murton on August 06, 2014, 02:32:47 PM
Can't tell if the third digit is an 8 or 9 could you post the serial as the picture is somewhat fuzzy.










946518
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: Warbird on August 06, 2014, 02:39:11 PM
Current information places the Eagle/F Police range from 945568 (January 1945) to 949192 (March 1945) with an estimated quantity of 2,600 Model HSc.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: jcorl on August 06, 2014, 03:09:21 PM
Photos.  Hope they are useful.

Jim
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: donp326 on August 07, 2014, 07:49:19 AM
Can't tell if the third digit is an 8 or 9 could you post the serial as the picture is somewhat fuzzy.










946518


congratulations you have a nice Eagle F HSc
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: pardt on February 25, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
So I know this is a old thread but most of the photos are no longer valid. And the 2 that are left it's hard to tell if it's a blued or phosphate pistol. Anyone remember what it is?
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: rob67gt on February 25, 2017, 04:10:55 PM
Pardt,
I appreciate your following through on this forum also.  I was about to post here also.  This appears to be a true phosphate example and an E/F though as you indicate it is difficult to tell based on the two photos.  To my eyes it actually appears to be representative of the early phosphates, both police and army, that came out in early 1944.  It appears the barrel is phosphate finished also which I consider characteristic of these early phosphate "prototypes".  I use prototype as the theory put forth by Allan and Peter is that this "short run" was used as a demonstration of the phosphate finish for the military and police contracts. 

This appears to be a left over of  "prototype" phosphate that was brought out for finishing during the later stages of the production and finished as an E/F.  Regardless, if the finish can be confirmed, it is indeed a phosphate E/F. [/size] Your research efforts are[/size] are appreciated.....Hopefully, Murton can respond or Jim could perhaps clarify.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: Warbird on February 25, 2017, 04:26:36 PM
Rob and Pardt:  Strange actions by Murton, seems like he completely bailed out of this thread, deleting all his posts.  Makes me wonder about his motivations.

Anyway, my notes from his original post and photos have Eagle F 946518 as Blue.  I know it looks Phosphate in Jim's resized photos but there might have been some color lost in the process.

Rob, the Phosphate Prototypes you brought up go back to earlier serials 881321 to 896889 so would not be a part of this serial number.
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: rob67gt on February 25, 2017, 04:55:44 PM
Thanks for popping in Allan!.  I realize the prototypes phosphates are in a different serial range (early 44) but Murton's version appears to have the phosphate finished barrel I generally connect with the prototype phosphates.  That is my point.....not a match for the later production phosphates I have seen.  Or have you seen/recorded phosphate barrels in "production" phosphates of 1945?
Title: Re: Value of Eagle F HSC?
Post by: Warbird on February 25, 2017, 05:01:39 PM
Interesting discussion but, no, I don't record/watch for Phosphate Barrels so can't add anything along that line of thought.