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Model HSC Pistol / Re: Non-Serialized Mauser HSc Pistols
« on: September 08, 2019, 10:33:18 AM »
vlim, thank you for the explanation.  In reading the history of the Mauser plant and the somewhat detailed events of April 1945, I understand the "window of opportunity" for this to occur. I suspected this might be the answer, but unlike the American liberation of the Walther plant, I've never seen any documentation of souvenir taking at Mauser.  According to Hallock and van de Kant, the French entered Orberndorf on April 24, 1945, and they discovered that in the weeks prior to their arrival, all the small assembled arms had been distributed to the military, Volkssturm, or hidden.   Perhaps in their haste, many were unnumbered or some unnumbered guns assembled out of finished parts.  Thanks, again.  Regards,

Model HSC Pistol / Non-Serialized Mauser HSc Pistols
« on: September 07, 2019, 05:35:46 PM »
From time-to-time, a non-serialized HSc, made up of late war parts will surface.  Based on the appearance of the front grip strap, these pistols left the plant un-serialized.  Mark C shows one on his website at, listing it as a post-war gun.  Does anyone know the history of these guns?  I understand the history of the Mauser plant as told by Don Hallock and Joop van de Kant in the The Mauser Parabellum book, pages 593-600.  There is no mention of the taking of souvenirs.

Model 1934 Pistol / Re: Date of Manufacturer
« on: March 04, 2019, 06:52:30 PM »
Thank you!

BTW, it does indeed have an Eagle/N proof mark by the rear sight.

Model 1934 Pistol / Date of Manufacturer
« on: March 03, 2019, 08:07:42 PM »

Is it possible to date a Mauser 1934 to the year and month of production?  I've have this one for many years and am curious when it was made.  It is an E/655 proofed with an ATP, serial number 586266.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Value of "Swiss" Commercial HSc
« on: May 27, 2017, 01:18:13 AM »
Very helpful, thank you.

Model HSC Pistol / Value of "Swiss" Commercial HSc
« on: May 26, 2017, 08:30:02 PM »
I may have an opportunity to acquire a commercial HSc that fits the description of a "Swiss" variant as described in the Burnham / Theodore book (page 38).  It does have the correct finger extension magazine, but no spare or no presentation box.  SN looks to be in the correct range, and finish matches the description.  I know determining a value is impossible without inspection, but I'm looking for a value relative to a equivalent condition and vintage commercial HSc.  Is it 1.5x, 2x, 2.5x, etc.  Thanks, trying to zero in on a fair offer. 

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Grip Authentication
« on: July 15, 2015, 10:51:15 AM »
Alan, Jim, Burgess, thanks for the assessment.  I too was nervous about the pristine exterior on a 70 year old grip; thus the posting.  Every other set I have seen that I believe to be original have usual handling and small scratches. As pointed out, these do not.  The inside is quite good, which used to be a good indicator, but the repro guys are past that.  Harder and harder to tell.  I'll pass on these, thanks again for the input.

Model HSC Pistol / Grip Authentication
« on: July 15, 2015, 01:06:46 AM »
A fried of a friend purchased a refinished Mauser HSc recently as a shooter, and it is equipped with the grips pictured.  I want to buy the grips, but not comfortable that they are original.  I know there are now reproductions that have proper inside the grip markings.  Any opinions on these?

Model HSC Pistol / Re: HSc Repair
« on: July 12, 2015, 05:59:32 PM »
Jim, from what I can see in your pictures everything seems normal.  Typically, a Magazine is inserted at an angle, nose first and then the rear which allows you to leverage the Latch to the back so the Magazine can slide into the well.  If this is not possible then a small amount of thumb pressure on the Latch should allow the previous loading procedure to occur.
I agree with Alan. From what I can see, your Mauser HSc looks exactly as I would expect.  The hammer strut spring does put quite a bit of tension on it, and it should, because you don't want the magazine dropping out when you need it, as a result of non intentional brushing the catch.  The design is typical of a number of WWII small arms.  The CZ27 is similar in that it requires that the catch be pushed back with some force to insert a magazine.  As Alan said, put the magazine in nose first and then the rear, or alternatively, rear first, then the nose.  Both techniques seem to work for me.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: HSc Repair
« on: July 11, 2015, 06:45:30 PM »
Jim, to me, pictures are always a plus, so I hope these are useful.  The first photo shows the magazine catch in the full retracted position.  As Warbird noted, it pivots on the pin (yellow star) and tension is provided by the hammer strut spring.  Note the flat surface of the catch and the gap identified by the yellow arrow.  The flat surface of the magazine catch pivots only to the point of touching the frame.  The design limits the forward travel of the catch.  Unless you magazine catch is broken, it can only travel so far forward.  The second photo shows the forward position of the catch.  You can either measure the mm as shown by the ruler, or see if your catch looks like it extends like this one.  All of my HSc are like this one.  Hope this helps.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: HSc Repair
« on: July 11, 2015, 01:40:31 PM »
. . . The mag release, when no mag is in the gun, falls forward under tension and creates a problem when I attempt to insert a mag.  I take my best thumbnail and pull back on the mag release to open up the mag well to accept a magazine.  I have no idea, why my mag release falls so far forward . . . Jim
Jim, I want to make sure I understand what you are trying to correct.  By design the magazine catch falls forward under tension, with or without a magazine in the gun.  In checking a few of my guns, the amount of force required to insert a magazine (or hold a magazine in) is pretty stiff.  Are you saying the tension of the magazine catch on the LGS HSc pictured is relatively high compared to other ones you own?  I use the back of the magazine to push back the catch to insert a magazine.

. . . is the issue the tension, or how far forward the catch travels, or both?

Model HSC Pistol / Re: HSc Repair
« on: July 10, 2015, 11:44:49 PM »
I too encourage you to try it yourself.  Having a number of HSc and decent photographic skills, I'm happy to provide photos of anything you need at any level of assembly / disassembly.  In my experience, every one of these journeys has an aha moment.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Late War E/F - Refinished?
« on: July 06, 2015, 01:44:05 PM »
. . . . Interesting tooling marks . . . Jim
Jim, I've seen this machining pattern on a number of other Mausers.  Here is a similar pattern on 929334. 

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Late War E/F - Refinished?
« on: July 03, 2015, 09:44:42 AM »
Attached photo is of a gunbroker auction from a few months ago. I will venture a theory about a higher polish and finish eagle f pistols that look original. Maybe Mauser had left over rejected parts from earlier production that they used to make up production late in the war. So you could have a few higher polished guns. Just a theory of course
I suppose anything is possible, but the expanded [somewhat fuzzy] photo of 947113 looks like it is ribbed (not polished), just without any grip strap finish left, and with a deep succinct serial number. It looks original to me.

Theories, or course, are put forth to explain things, assuming they hold up.  If there were rejects of earlier high polish frames, why reuse them on a late war Police contract.  The factory was still making Army and Commercial models and it seems to me that the Police could be the pickier of the three customers and if they were rejected frames, they were rejected for a reason.  Seems to me that rejected frames would be used on Commercial, not Police.

Model HSC Pistol / Re: Late War E/F - Refinished?
« on: June 28, 2015, 10:29:23 PM »
Pre98 has a eagle f that is # 946744 in very high condition and the strap is still ribbed.
Thanks, I know jcorl is a fellow collector, but with all due respect to him, I am highly skeptical of his hypothesis that ". . .  [Mauser] made two qualities of "F" [late in the war]."  I just don't see it occurring in Feb/Mar/Apr 1945.   I can't see anyone putting in extra cycles for a finish.  As more evidence, proofs of Army Mausers (WaA135) were applied up side down.  The futility of it all must have been obvious.

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