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Early French phosphate HSc
« on: March 28, 2020, 02:14:43 PM »
Early French range HSc, phosphate about 400ish into the reported range. No proofs. I do wonder about the lack of proofs and if this was issued or just nabbed from the factory. Is there an accumulating number reported of no proofs in the early number range on French. Condition near unused but with a tad bit of muzzle wear and slight stain in phosphate in the line ledger and a small pinprick scuff on backstrap. Grip straps are super on front and the back has a bit of staining and thinning toward the bottom but not too bad. Phosphate is pretty solid and a slight green tint. Grips are original type EJO with one dark brown left , one black right, seems consistent with earlier German ones with a slight hodgepodge at the end in subtle color variations. I had a waffen phosphate close to this one with same mixed grip color, one brown one black. Internals are phosphate , most everything phosphate except safety selector, ejector and mag release, they are blued. Magazines are entirely phosphate . Paper holster. Picture heavy

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2020, 02:17:35 PM »
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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2020, 02:27:45 PM »
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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2020, 03:47:17 PM »
Proofing was sporadic throughout the Post-War era on the HSc.  This may have been  because it was not a priority for the French or the Ulm Proof House may not have been a full-time operation then.  Either way, there were no serial numbers in large groups that fell in this category.

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2020, 03:54:16 PM »
that does make sense and good to know , thank you.

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2020, 04:01:13 PM »
The Ulm proof house was established in 1952. It replaced the Oberndorf proof house which ground to a halt in april, 1945.


During French control proofing was done in-house at Mauser. There was a period of uncertainty in april, 1945 during the evacuation of part of the Mauser staff, tools, machines and parts en route to Austria.


It is not unlikely that those who remained behind redistributed guns to locals for self protection.


It would also have taken some time for the French to come up with a game plan. But the number of unproofed HSc's is still going to be limited, despite the uncertainties Oberndorf and Mauser had to deal with.


It is still strange why HSc's under French control were WR proofed and P38's were Star proofed. Have to check what they did on WTP pistols.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 04:03:50 PM by vlim »

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2020, 04:18:57 PM »
On the barrels of some German produced HSc's is the same style RW proof right ? Its on this one and some of my others or at least a partial strike of it. Werke revision? ...usually around the area of the lasst 3 digit serial stamp.  Seems the same proof logo used on the French HSc trigger guard area.

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2020, 06:16:27 PM »
The WR stamp has been verified by Prof. Dr. Rolf Gminder (former Mauser Managing Director) as "Factory Proof or Final Audit" of an HSc assembly part.  For that reason the French marked most of their HSc pistols with the large WR ("Werksrevision") on the Trigger Guard to signify a completed and accepted unit.

Having given you all this information, I would request that you provide a complete serial number of your HSc for our database.  If you are shy about sharing it publicly you can PM it to me.  Thank you.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2020, 06:20:24 PM by Warbird »

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2020, 06:55:31 PM »
It is 952437

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Re: Early French phosphate HSc
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2020, 03:16:45 PM »
Nice job and a nice pistol.  Thanks for providing photos.
Jim