HSc and the Triangular big chuck of steel in front of trigger...

[gebirg]

OK, i compare an early HSc serial 703857 early (1941) up against an older serial 904050 KM 4. variation (1944) - easy to see the difference, early one is hollow, and late one is solid...[/size]The backpack (Tornist) is a German heer model made by Franz Brehme Walsrode 1942. The pipe is a typical soldier pipe used by German soldiers in wwII made by Bruyere. Both items is leftower and found in German store located in Norway in 1945.I havent tryed yet to shoot with both guns, to compare balance and recoil - that would be my next goal with the exelent pistol; the HSc...Thank you!

[jcorl]

Gebirg,
 
I don't know if you noticed, but your "frame stop" is 16 cm long on your older variation #703857 and 14 cm long on your #904050.   Your good photos show a difference in length in this aspect of variation design.  Thanks for posting a side by side.  I had never measured mine until I saw your examples.
 
Jim 

[gebirg]

Thats a good observation!

Asle
Norway

[Like_Old_Guns]

Very interesting. I weighed the "lower" less the magazine of an early hollow HSc (714920) and a later, not hollow "lower" less the magazine (948408), just like the OP. The earlier lower weighted in a 10.4 ounces and the later lower at 11.6 ounces, a difference of 1.2 ounces of material. I wasn't aware there was a weight difference in the variations. I wonder when the internal machining change occurred? I looked at some of my other HScs, still hollow at 818XXX, but not hollow at 905XXX, so somewhere between 818XXX and 905XXX the change occurred. I'm sure other members can pinpoint it more accurately.

[gebirg]

Hmm, your 818xxx is produced after november -42, the charts says 43...I will have a look on my KM 848719...yes its solid, not hollow!So somewhere between your 818xxx and my 848719 - something happened...

Maybee Warbird ment 43 not 42 that Mauser did some changes in production...


http://www.mauserguns.com/forum/index.php/topic,86.0.html
akbNorway

[Warbird]

No ... I meant exactly what I said.  Every Transitional HSc I have seen above about 795000 has a solid Frame Web.  If Roger's 818 is hollow, it may have been held up or lost in inventory until February 1943 when it was serialized.  This is unusual but not uncommon during production at Mauser.  When more than just this one hollow Frame Web is reported between 795 and 818, I will consider extending my interpretation of the Transitional period that I now have ending at 800445 (November 1942).

Roger and Asle, this is all good information and thanks for sharing.

[gebirg]

Wery good, so be it!

[Fausto]

Hello gentlemen !
I was looking at this very interesting (and old...) topic about the differences between an early HSc with the machining inside the trigger guard and a later one with solid trigger guard...
Alan noticed a different lenght between their "frame stop"... I compared my October 1941 Hsc (with the "metal chuck") and my November 1944 with solid guard and they look identical (apart the machining inside the guard).
Can you help, considering that my English doesn't help me?
Thank you so much !
Fausto